Dan Stanchfield, or as many know him Tracker Dan, is a warrior, artist, and scholar who is deeply experienced in wilderness survival, foraging, and hunting. His custom knife designs and his training services are based on years of field-testing and innovations out of necessity – across growing up in the outdoors to Tom Brown’s Tracker School to active and now reserve duty serving in the US Navy SEALS. Dan is also keenly interested in fitness and nutrition for health and longevity. The challenges of the coronavirus pandemic make this visit ultimately timely and valuable.

You can also find this one in video format on YouTube at https://youtu.be/uRJ9XlMpHBc

“The guy who taught Tom Brown, the old Apache, was all about finding the common thread of truth that runs through all philosophies, all survival skills, cutting away the stuff that wasn’t necessary.”

– Tracker Dan

This episode is accelerating to release almost a full week early in light of the coronavirus pandemic and the potential need to tap into Dan’s vast knowledge of emergency water purification, common and generally safe and abundant wild edibles in North America, personal safety, and ways we can look after nutrition and health and fitness in a survival situation or everyday life. It’s tough to scratch the surface of the knowledge even in an extended length episode or to substitute for his many years of experience in the field. Nonetheless, Dan generously shares numerous interesting and potentially life-sustaining tips.

“Tracking ties in with pretty much any aspect of life even in you’re not in a survival situation. It’s very crucial to hunting and looking for danger.”

– Tracker Dan

Dan also talks about his custom, hand-made knife and blade products and civilian and law enforcement training services. As with the backcountry experience, it would take hours to even start to understand all of the real-world experiences, success, lessons, and necessities that have gone into components as seemingly simple but critical as a sheath. On the business side of things, we also cover the unfortunate situation of ending up in collaboration or partnership with shady people.

“Tracker school taught me how to become one with my environment and experience it instead of labeling it as this is negative or that is negative. You just experience it. You do what you can. But you’re not putting yourself in a negative mindset.”

– Tracker Dan


“Tracker” Dan Stanchfield has been a wilderness survival and tracking instructor since 1995 and a Navy SEAL since 2002, currently serving in the active reserves on SEAL Team 17. When at home, he teaches survival and tracking, marksmanship and tactics, and hand-to-hand combat and provides personal protection for celebrities, businessmen and politicians (those who are worth their salt). One of his major activities is designing and making sheaths, holsters and edged weapons/tools.


  • Growing up in harmony with nature
  • Courage to follow heart over societal expectations
  • Excelling in BUD/S and other SEAL training at 31 years old
  • The mindset that allows kids to have fun playing in cold water
  • A water meditation to experience in synch with environment 
  • Extensive training services Dan offers to public and LEO
  • Experiences driving his blade, sheath, and clip designs
  • Finding the common thread of truth 
  • Note of caution on brotherhood as a business
  • Challenge to sharing an art in a profit-based world
  • Appreciating the work, time, iterations behind innovation
  • Where to find authentic Tracker Dan blades
  • AM routine – 3g quality salt, hydration, mobility, katsu bands
  • Benefits of blood flow modification for rehab & training
  • Diet style sustainable for transition to survival mode
  • Water safety in wilderness and survival
  • Is there a perfect food?
  • Risks and impacts of oxalic acid toxicity
  • Three most nutrient dense wild edibles
  • Replacing nutrients missing from modern farming
  • How often men should donate blood to reduce iron
  • 3 main plant features used to identify them
  • Big 4 of edibles readily available in the US
  • Source of vitamin C that is 4x an orange
  • What part of grass can you eat?
  • Fungus that may have caused the Salem Witch Trials
  • Fat adapted fasting for body detox
  • #1 key thing for personal safety
  • Everyday items as force multipliers for protection
  • Survival triage timing – safety, shelter, water, food
  • Resetting priorities and use of our time during COVID
  • Making plans and making changes to carry forward


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Dan Stanchfield [00:00:00] I always wanted to be a green Baret grownup and then a seal once I learned about him because I just wanted the ultimate test and training, um, for becoming the ultimate warrior type thing.

Michael [00:00:27] Welcome to the man and mastery podcast. I want to thank you and once again say I appreciate you and now more than ever I really hope everybody is healthy and staying safe in this, in this crisis at today's guest episode 49 with Dan Stanchfield tracker Dan Dan recently said that a crisis is a great opportunity to test plans and find gaps and find ways for improvement and Dan is somebody that I've really wanted to get on the show for awhile.

Michael [00:00:58] I'm super excited about the wealth of knowledge and the wealth of experience he has from growing up and running around the outdoors to formal training in wilderness survival, off-grid back country, and then his extensive military service and he's taken all of that into coaching and training that he does down into a very high demand, popular knife making business.

Michael [00:01:22] And maybe most interesting to me is he's also very, very well versed and studied and really keeps in tune to health trends and longevity and really taking care of himself. So now more than ever, this is so topical to have on the, the only thing I would say is, well, I thank Dan for all the time he put into this one.

Michael [00:01:44] We could have gone twice as long, three times as long. Uh, so there's a bunch recovered. It's, I've never had a show highlights, lists list this long, but as much as we were able to share in a relatively short amount of time today, make sure you do. If you don't already, follow Dan on Instagram and check in and stay in tune with him there because he's constantly sharing knowledge, sharing new things there.

Michael [00:02:10] And I will get you links to all that in the show notes for this1@manofmastery.com slash zero 49 uh, about the situation at hand, the pandemic, some of us may have more time and flexibility than ever before, but what we all do have right here is an opportunity to, to reset, to reprioritize, think about shedding, what's not working, and really emphasizing and spending more focus on what is and what is important and what is a priority.

Michael [00:02:43] So I want to remind you that I just created something called performance kickstart. It is a training course that's kicking off on April 24th. It's the first of its kind that I've offered to anybody publicly where I'm going to take everything I've learned over the year since we launched the man of mastery brand and podcast and and really over the last intensely four or five years of going out and studying and applying and trying and then wanting to share this stuff.

Michael [00:03:13] So it's a way to get a small group of guys together, take immediate action and kickstart some of the changes that maybe even wanting to make or really get that push to ratchet up to to the next level. This is seven weeks, seven or eight weeks of weekly live sessions remotely.

Michael [00:03:34] A resume is challenges. It is homework, it is accountability. And I would say, once again, my warning would be along with the invitation is that simple and easy are two different things. So this is, you know, if you're looking to really up that potential and show up and perform every single day, then go check out more about this at man of mastery.com/kickstart check it out and let me know if you have any questions.

Michael [00:04:05] Again, April 24th this all kicks off for a two month run. Okay. And so just a couple more quick things before we do jump in with tracker Dan I just want to talk a little bit about the title that I gave this episode. You know, I try to come up with something catchy or just something fitting with each gas Dan with each episode I thought about calling this one something very, you know, Darwin, like survival of the fittest or I dunno, I was thinking fear and loathing, you know, we've got this fear of perpetuating our, our circumstances right now.

Michael [00:04:39] And I don't know why I Dan somehow reminds me a little bit of, of of Hunter Thompson who I think a lot of is as an author, I'm a huge fan. Maybe it's the, the floppy hat that Dan wears on his video sometimes, I dunno. But in the end I decided to go with, I called it honesty is the first chapter and that's part of a, a book or sorry, a quote by Thomas Jefferson.

Michael [00:05:01] That in full goes honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom. And as Dan talks about some of his business challenges and the struggle in striking a balance between, uh, carrying on the art of metalworking in knifemaking compared to a business and a business focused and profit-driven society and some of the things that happen in that that can break the trust of business.

Michael [00:05:29] And he talks a bit about the trust that is placed in brotherhood and organizations. So I think you'll understand once you hear it, I decided to pick a theme in terms of honesty and I love a love Thomas Jefferson and the, and that quote honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom seems, seems really fitting for for this one with Dan here today.

Michael [00:05:50] And then last note is if you are listening to this audio only, so the typical Apple podcast, iTunes, uh, Android, this if all goes well, should be the first time I've got a video interview up on YouTube. So especially with some of the things Dan is going to talk about with his knife making and his sheath and his clip, uh, check, check that out.

Michael [00:06:15] I would say definitely watch this one on video. That's, that's the way to go. And Hey, you get to get to know the guest and see them and see their personality on on camera a little bit more as well. Okay, so you can find that one over at YouTube. You just have to search for a man of mastery because URL is ugly, or hit my website or hit man of mastery.com/zero 49 and you can link right over there with that.

Michael [00:06:40] Let's jump right in with Dan Stanchfield

Michael [00:06:45] today. Hey Dan, how are you? I got the pleasure and the honor of talking to a, a very popular figure and in a lot of circles. Tracker Dan or do we say your full name? I don't know how that goes. Yeah. Dan Stanchfield was fun. Okay. Dan Stanchfield, everybody knows me by tracker Dan school tracker Dan pleasure. We've been meaning to catch up for a little while and you've got some incredible experience and knowledge and it's a, it's timely and everyday life, but probably even more timely in the, in the crazy world we find ourselves in at the, at the moment.

Michael [00:07:14] So thanks for spending some time. Oh, you're welcome. My pleasure. Uh, you know what, I did forget to ask before we started rolling. How much time do you have? And I'll just man just to that, um, you know, it's, is open right now, so. Okay. All right. Thank you. We'll keep it reasonable. Yeah, we'll play it by ear. Let's roll with it. I know we could go for a long time with the knowledge you've got.

Michael [00:07:36] So we've got a few themes to hit on. Uh, I mean, you are a, a, a boutique or custom knife maker. You've got tons of experience. I want to start off by talking about, you've got a couple other businesses and uh, you and I both share, uh, just a, a passion for, um, health and, and whether that's health and mind, body, spirit, things that are really, really ultimately important right now.

Michael [00:07:58] So we've got some fun stuff to talk about, but do you mind sharing a little bit more about your quals and then we can go into your, uh, your backstory a bit? Sure. Um, so by calls, do you mean, um, just any training in life for the Navy training or, yeah, maybe just at a high level. I think it's, it's a, it's really interesting to understand when you talk about things like the outdoors, you talk about things like your knife designed, how much goes into that.

Michael [00:08:22] So yeah, if you don't mind, maybe just a fly by on, on the Navy and tracker school and things like that. Okay. Um, yeah, I'll, I'll keep it, I'll, I'll start off, uh, you know, from the beginning and go, go forward. I'll, I'll keep it brief. But, uh, basically when I was, you know, luckily I had a father-in-law that got me into archery when I was four years old and you know, we were out hunting and shooting all the time and camping and fishing.

Michael [00:08:55] And when

Dan Stanchfield [00:08:56] I was six, we moved up to a remote Indian fishing village in British Columbia on, on an inlet C, you know, and we were there as missionaries to the, the Indians there. And so, you know, from a young age, I'm Paul and water from the stream, you know, Karen, just tons of firewood in my arms as much, you know, and dad set up, it doesn't hurt, you know, won't make you stronger.

Dan Stanchfield [00:09:19] So you know, that that type of life growing up. And my mom was part Indian, so she's, you know, we're constantly putting wild edibles on the food, you know, to supplement and we're hunting for food and fishing for food. So I'm very close to the earth, um, raising.

Dan Stanchfield [00:09:39] So, and then, you know, when I was in my teens, we moved back to California and, um, I, I ended up, uh, skirt and follow Tom Brown stuff cause I was always searching for this knowledge. And, um, when I finally, you know, built up the courage to, you know, follow my heart instead of doing what I should be doing, you know, with religion and all that kind of stuff, I went to the tracker school, um, at age 26, spent five years.

Dan Stanchfield [00:10:15] Um, they're living back in the woods, you know, primitively um, you know, watching over the place. And then as an instructor and meeting lots of people from the military coming through lots of seals. And you know, my, I always wanted to be a green Baret grownup and then a seal once I learned about him cause I just wanted the ultimate test and training, um, for becoming the ultimate warrior type thing.

Dan Stanchfield [00:10:40] And that, um, and my, my dad and the church, they all convinced me to stay away from it. And my dad was in Vietnam and he's talking about how it'd be a robotic killer and all this kind of stuff. But seeing all these seals come through the tracker school you know, that we were training, they were very down to earth level headed guys.

Dan Stanchfield [00:11:01] Super humble. And uh, so, you know, I was, by the time, you know, I, I asked one of the guys jokingly, Oh man, I was 30 at the time as I was like, could the teams use a guy like me and said, yeah, just get an age waiver. Cause I thought it was way too old. And so I, I got in when I was 31 as the oldest guy in my buds class to make it through.

Dan Stanchfield [00:11:26] And, uh, then, uh, yeah, just, uh, got honor man and scout class, um, you know, scout sniper cause uh, all, all of my training, um, at tracker school and the Alaska stuff that we did up there where, you know, you're going in the water, you know, just your, your shorts on for dry suit appreciation day.

Dan Stanchfield [00:11:50] Um, you know, the instructors are like, it looks like you're taken a bath out there. You know, cause I was just totally relaxed cause I, you know, the tracker school had taught me how to become one with my environment and experience it instead of labeling it. As, you know, this is negative, that's negative. You just experience it, you do what you can, but you're not like putting yourself in a negative mindset mindset.

Dan Stanchfield [00:12:12] So, yeah.

Michael [00:12:14] And uh, do you mind if I jump in with a couple of questions on that? That's pretty fascinating. So I was gonna ask, um, uh, I was thinking that was just on cold tolerance in particular, but, um, have you had any exposure to Wim Hoff and does that jive with what

Dan Stanchfield [00:12:30] yes, one of on the, in the reserves, uh, one of my, um, frog man brothers. See ya. He was telling me all about Wim Hoff and I've seen little things here and there, but, um, I'm definitely going to get the book and, and uh, check it out cause it sounds similar to a lot of this stuff Tom Brown talked about, cause he talked about there's levels of body control where, you know, ones more of a physical, um, and it's a buy now, pay later program.

Dan Stanchfield [00:13:01] And then there's one where you get into certain types of, you know, different alpha States are not alphabet or, yeah, maybe. And, but it's more like a spiritual thing. Like, so, you know, it's, yeah, it's very interesting stuff. And um, but the most basic one you know, is just like, Hey, if there was a kid in that water drowning, you would be in there so fast without thinking one bit about the cold.

Dan Stanchfield [00:13:32] You know, and, and your body's going to start pumping and working, but if you're going into it, just anticipating fear, your body doesn't support, you know, it doesn't react in a favorable way. So yeah, no, it's um, but the one, you know, and just a super basic one is just fully immersing yourself in the experience.

Dan Stanchfield [00:13:57] And kids do that. You'd see them running around the beach, just blue is as you know, can be, you know, and they're just having fun, you know, and it's like you're about to die. We better, you know. So, um, you know, there one way he would have us do that was this water meditation and it's just like you're paying attention to the reflection on the water surface, what's happening on the water surface, what's happening under the water surface.

Dan Stanchfield [00:14:24] And you keep shifting your awareness between those levels. And when you're going into the water, like you're feeling the water interacts with the hair on your legs, you're feeling the sand grind between your toes. Like you're feeling everything. You're not labeling it as bad, you know, or associating it with cold equals bad, you know, kinda thing. So,

Michael [00:14:44] wow. Okay. So just experiencing it. Yeah, I think, I don't, I haven't gone through the Wim Hof training. My understanding is it's a breathing technique to physically heat. Um, I don't know how much of the sort of, where you place your attention and how you think of the experience or how you experienced the experience. I'm not sure how much that gets into. And then I just, just curious. So with, uh, I actually was asking somebody a couple of weeks ago, you know, is there something that is, uh, sort of unanimously difficult in, in the training that you guys go through in buds or otherwise?

Michael [00:15:16] And the answer I got from this individual was there are different things that are hard for each of us, you know, so, but going to kind of find what they're comfortable with, what they're not strong at. You know, if you're a background were, you know, where did you find challenges or did you, did you breathe through a lot, a lot of breeze through a lot of the environmental or the physical pieces of it.

Dan Stanchfield [00:15:36] So yeah, it is going to be different for everyone. And for me, um, the mental stuff was not a challenge at all really, because being older and wanting this for so long and now I've got my chance, it's like there's nothing that's going to determine, you know, whereas there was some younger guys, great guys, we could run circles around me, but the instructors can play on their mind and just be like, you know, they had a bad day, you know, cause they drank too much milk at breakfast or something.

Dan Stanchfield [00:16:13] It's curling in their gut, you know, and, and they're holding their buddy back on a swim and the instructor's like, you're holding your buddy back. You should just quit right now, you know, like, and just make them feel real bad about their buddy, you know? And so, so many guys get pulled out because of that. So, so the mental thing, like that side of it, it wasn't an issue. Um, the physical, like my body, um, amazingly like I was one of the top runners out of everybody there.

Dan Stanchfield [00:16:40] Like, um, when we were, and it was partially due to the way we train. And as people get older, they tend to be better long distance runners. It seems like, you know, you got 42 year old marathon runners that are just kicking ass. So, um, so yeah, I'd be putting out her on those runs and my body wouldn't rebound is as quickly like my, I'd feel it in my hips for four days after.

Dan Stanchfield [00:17:08] Um, and but like anytime there was like a, a Mudder run, like where it's spongy sand because of the way the surf was, there was no hard pack. I was always first and that was starting with 212 guys. And throughout the whole time I was on those runs, I was always first. Now when there was hardpack, I'd be like, you know, third or between third and fifth place.

Dan Stanchfield [00:17:32] But you know, you got some college level, um, officers you know, that are just these, you know, studs, you know that or marathon, you know, you know all that kind of stuff. But when it was bad conditions, that's, that's where I was best because of the way I trained, you know, in soft with heavy boots,

Dan Stanchfield [00:17:50] that kind of thing. So. Okay, cool. Yeah, no, thanks for sharing that. Yeah. You would have bought an old man by far there, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was a couple of guys older than me, but they didn't, they didn't make it through hell week. Um, and there's definitely been guys older, like I heard a guy who was 38 went through buds way, way back, Holy cow a day.

Dan Stanchfield [00:18:09] So, and as far as the hardness thing, like yeah, it totally varies depending like there's hell week is super hard, but the biggest part of it is just six months of never ending story. And every week there's one or two major evolutions to pass.

Dan Stanchfield [00:18:32] And so it's not just, Oh, I made it through hell week now everything's a breeze now. So, um, yeah, there's some guys who would rally go through five hell weeks, then go through one full week because you know, they're just not as comfortable in the water. Um, that sort of thing. So it all depends. Yeah, everybody's got their strengths and weaknesses.

Dan Stanchfield [00:18:53] But it sounds like you went in with a really strong background and a strong sense of purpose. And why and why you wanted to be there and yeah, and your mission there. That's awesome. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for that tangent. So I interrupted you. Keep going. No worries. Um, keep going. Which direction you were kinda telling your story of how you got from tracker school and Oh, yeah, yeah.

Dan Stanchfield [00:19:16] So, um, on the seal teams I did a close to six years active and uh, then I, uh, I transferred to the reserves and a lot of that was, you know, to try and save my previous marriage and, uh, to be around my son because when, you know, you're either deployed or your training and it's ridiculous how, phew.

Dan Stanchfield [00:19:46] Days you haven't at home. So, and you know, with my experience of what we did over in Iraq, it wasn't as much as what I was expecting. I thought, you know, we'd be a lot more sneaky, Peaky surgical, that kind of thing. But there was just a lot of just blown, you know, the full front half of the building often enter, you know, and all that kind of stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [00:20:13] And is, you know, the, the Intel was a lot of times it was wrong, you know, it was, it was just someone battle. The Jones is someone in the neighborhood said, Oh, he's, he's terrorists, you know, and so, you know, we were a lot of times, you know, not, um, not being as effective as we can be, so gotcha.

Dan Stanchfield [00:20:36] And there was plenty of times we, we were being very effective, but you know, it just, it was a, yeah. Anyway. And I know you're, you're still in the reserves made chief recently. Thank you. Yeah, it took me awhile. I mean, I was avoiding it for a long time cause I wanted to keep my door, my foot in the door and the reserves so I could screen at dam neck and they don't take chiefs, uh, over there, so at least they didn't back then.

Dan Stanchfield [00:21:05] And uh, yeah. So anyway,

Michael [00:21:08] and you, I think you've mentioned along the way somewhere you have, I think, some pretty sensitive medic training. Is that just in the course of, of your duties?

Dan Stanchfield [00:21:16] So at the tracker school, um, I was wilderness EMT and, uh, so that's, you know, an EMT that can do a lot more stuff just because you're away from definitive care and, uh, so, you know, got to use that plenty of the, uh, tracker school with all the, you know, ticks and people cutting themselves and that kind of thing.

Dan Stanchfield [00:21:41] But, um, then in, uh, in the teams, you know, we get, um, TT URJ, so TC CC or is it triple T C or something, but it's, it's like, you know, three-day just intensive courses where there's plenty of live tissue type stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [00:22:01] Um, and yeah, very, very expensive. Even in buds. Like you're, you're giving each other, um, IVs all the time, but you know, nothing like extensive, just it's, it's mainly combat medicine, keeping a person alive and tell someone who's better trained can, can get to them. I always wanted, I, I thought about going P J um, when I was making my choice, um, and w I wanted to go to 18 Delta, but they shut down that, um, I miss my window on that now.

Dan Stanchfield [00:22:35] Now we have medics attached to us instead of sending guys off because you know, guys are constantly rotating out or, or getting out and so they're not investing all that time medical into them all the time these days. Okay. Gotcha.

Michael [00:22:49] Okay. Well thanks. Thanks for the background. I had not heard some of that backstory before, but I think it's all, it's all super relevant contacts too, the stuff you do now and the things that you do by business and by way of passion. So I appreciate you sharing that. So I know, um, maybe, maybe one we can hit pretty quickly,

Dan Stanchfield [00:23:07] um,

Michael [00:23:08] because there might not be a whole lot going on right now. So I know one of the businesses you run is something along the lines of outdoor training, survival wilderness.

Dan Stanchfield [00:23:18] Yeah, that's correct. They were wrong on that. So basically anything that has to do with, um, basic survival to tracking too, you know, ene types survival. Um, yeah, that's, that's, that's the main focuses.

Dan Stanchfield [00:23:40] And you know, like tracking ties in with pretty much any aspect of life, even if you're not in survival situation. But it's very crucial to, you know, hunting and, and uh, I'm looking for danger, that kind of stuff. So, um, but a lot of times, you know, I will fly out to where a group wants to be trained in their local resources cause natural resources vary depending on where you're at in time of year and tracking environments, very from location to location and time of year.

Dan Stanchfield [00:24:20] So, you know, law enforcement will have me come out and teach them stuff for, you know, like Sheriff's departments for tracking. Um, I also teach law enforcement and civilians like marksmanship and, and tactics. Um, so it, it all depends on what, what a groups looking for.

Dan Stanchfield [00:24:44] And then, you know, I'll, I'll run classes where it's just introductory survival or more specialized where it's like just fire making or just bow and arrow making, you know, that kinda thing. So I haven't had a class schedule up for a long time and I was doing it more just by when people wanted me to come out to an area, just because when you lock your down self down to a schedule and a security gig pops up, you know, or something like that, um, you know, it's makes it, yeah, you gotta say no to stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [00:25:18] So, but yeah, I this, you know, when I got back from deployment, you know, in, in 2018 it was going to be, you know, extensively patient classes and then I just, I had to take care of my, my, uh, father and my mother's estate and all that kind of stuff. And so, yeah.

Dan Stanchfield [00:25:39] Yeah, that's just kind of dragged out for a while. But, um, yeah, as soon as we can, you know, congregate and be closer than six feet, you know, definitely have, have some classes up and yeah. And definitely, you know, going to be doing some mentoring stuff with people who've been asking for a while, you know.

Dan Stanchfield [00:26:00] All right, great. So, um, let's, uh, let's hold on on some of that stuff and we'll, we'll get into some of the foods and nature and forging and, uh, off-grid or wilderness stuff. Um, because maybe a lot of people are thinking about that and yeah. But, um, maybe just to put a bow on the business side of that right now.

Dan Stanchfield [00:26:21] So, um, it sounds like you've got all different kinds of specialties and formats and locations in ways you can deliver that. And we'll see how it evolves over the course of a, on things when we can congregate again. Right. Uh, for people who may be interested, if they want to organize a group, do one on one or maybe even stay in tune to whether you start doing online mentoring.

Michael [00:26:45] Uh, and we'll, we'll throw up links and show notes on this one. But, uh, Instagram, was that generally the best place to

Dan Stanchfield [00:26:51] keep in tune with you or your web stats? Yeah, yeah. It's, um, I don't have my website up right now. Um, but we've just basically been working through Instagram and Shopify. Okay. Um, yeah.

Michael [00:27:06] All right. I know I'm, I'm excited. I've been waiting for those to come back for awhile. I want to get, uh, get the whole family out with you somewhere at some point talking about some, definitely some basic, uh, outdoor survival wilderness stuff. So I will, uh, I'll stay in tune to that. And then, um, let's talk about knives. So a lot of lot of people know you as tracker Dan the, the knife maker.

Michael [00:27:29] Yeah. There's probably some more elegant title for that, but I know you make a, you make a line of, of knives that are basically handmade, um, largely sort of custom. Um, this is a, I don't know if cult classic, is it appropriate label for this? I mean it's probably bigger than that. You this is a thing that has a multi year wait list that's not even open right now.

Michael [00:27:52] Right?

Dan Stanchfield [00:27:52] Yeah. Yeah. And um, wow. As far as knowing whether it's a cult classic or not, I'd, I mean, I, I don't get out enough to know what it's like for other similar situations where it might be able to be called the Cole classic. But yeah, they are very popular.

Dan Stanchfield [00:28:13] And, um, it's a, you know, and it, it's, I've, so when I was six years old, I'd demonstrated enough safety that my dad gave me my first knife. And, um, you know, I've always been interested since then, you know, tinkering with mother earth news articles and you know, study and under no blade maker in, in the 90s.

Dan Stanchfield [00:28:38] And, um, I finally, you know, decided to get, get serious about it in 2008 and, um, and mainly it was because from my experience on the seal teams, the stuff they issued us, um, gear wise and blades and all that kind of stuff was, you know, the contracts, they go for something that's super durable, that can, you know, last, you know, at least five years under heavy duress.

Dan Stanchfield [00:29:09] So we get a pack that weighs probably, um, 12 pounds heavier than it should just cause they're making a bombproof and it's like, we got to, you know, cover some distance, you know, so we're sitting there cutting off all the extra tags and zippers and everything like that. Um, so with our, our knives sheets, like I soon learned in a tactical training environment and then overseas that when you're trying to put your knife away after using it, because had to use it on breach of problems.

Dan Stanchfield [00:29:43] Um, the tip wants to, you know, you've got these shoulders inside the mouth and it wants to, if you don't hit that slot just right, it wants to hang up on the shoulders. So, you know, couldn't put it away in the dark. And if you, you can't turn on a light to put it away. So you got to ditch it cause you gotta get your gun backups.

Dan Stanchfield [00:30:02] So I developed this, um, she's type system for the ones that the blades I was issued and then the blood blades I bought on my own. And, uh, you know, it takes a long time to develop, you know, make a mold and everything to make it ambidextrous. And, um, the, uh, everybody was seeing it and they were like, Hey, I need one.

Dan Stanchfield [00:30:28] So it got really old, really fast, making these, you know, intense, you know, intensive time going into these molds to make them just perfect. So, because not every blade is made to go ambidextrous and, but I want that because in the dark, depending on how you're using it and when you switch around and you need to just be able to clear it away without, you know, Finland or you may Mount it on a different part of your body and you want the edge in a certain orientation.

Dan Stanchfield [00:30:55] So ambidextrous is like key to my machining systems. And then, uh, yeah, so I, I wanted to make it so that in the dark you can just, you can register by feel and cleared away and nothing's hanging up. It can go in either way. And from everything I learned on at the tracker school, like the Apaches had ways where they could carry, they could switch a knife because of the sash.

Dan Stanchfield [00:31:21] They were, you know, how to attach to, they could, uh, have it, you know, like diagonal across here for, you know, it was a combat type draw or they could have it, um, on there, you know, horizontal here or horizontal on the back where they could Mount it. Thank you. Or I might've been one of the options, but like they, depending on what they were doing, like if they're stocking on their belly, they want the knife on the back, you know, and you know, so, or if they needed something that's more concealed there, you know, that kinda thing.

Dan Stanchfield [00:31:52] So, um, this develop in this clip, um, made it so I could move this to my concealed carry positions to my gear. I can have it on my boxer shorts while I'm sleep and all that kind of stuff. And it's got a great clock grabber. So, you know, the sheet doesn't come with a blade. I don't know of a plastic sheet that I've ever tried that with a plastic clip that doesn't come with the blade most of the time.

Dan Stanchfield [00:32:20] So. So, yeah. Um, so after making one offs of these, she's, I decided to make the ideal blade. That's something I would want to carry that goes optimally with this, you know, sheet system and that's where blood shirk came into being. So

Dan Stanchfield [00:32:40] then lights not handle heavy cause I uh, wrap it with cord and um, I liked those clones cause they're nice and thin and light. So you're always going to have it with you. It's easy to have with. But um, you know, the tips tend to be very pointy and so susceptible to snap and a lot easier.

Dan Stanchfield [00:33:00] And you can't always tell which way the edges, you know, they, they put some murals here. But if you're feeling for murals and you're feeling, you know, like I, I'd rather just be able to tell with my fingers which, which way it's going in. And it adds retention and the fish tail at the back or shark tale is more ergonomically designed to your hand for a screwdriver grip.

Dan Stanchfield [00:33:22] So if you gotta, you know, make a hole straight forward or, or make a hole, drill a hole in something, you know, it, it works really good for transferring back and forth and you don't have a lot of excess out here that can be snagged and cause this is the weakest part of your grip. So anyway, I'm rambling.

Dan Stanchfield [00:33:43] No, it's, it's fascinating. I like to put it in some historical context for myself, right? So I don't, I don't know what fascination drew me to blades, but like I, I can remember getting my first pocket knife as a kid and I think I, you know, I don't have near the knowledge, but, uh, I think I appreciate them as a, almost a, you know, a work of art as much as, as a tool.

Dan Stanchfield [00:34:06] And I was thinking about, you know, are you a, I don't know if you're an artist and what you do or you're a scientist and what you do or it's probably both. But the way I think I got exposed to some more of the type of things you were just describing was so a buddy of mine had had turned me on to your, your brand, your name, your, your, your knives. Right. And, um, and because they are in, I guess I call it sort of short supply, high demand, there are places they get resold and you know, I saw, I saw the dollar number and I think it's a multiple of what you sell them for directly.

Dan Stanchfield [00:34:40] I was going, Holy cow, you know, and you know, and it's a pair of cord wrapped, a piece of piece of steel and then I saw like an hour long, I think Instagram live you did with ed Calderon probably a year ago. Oh yeah. Man you were going through. Well, you know, it's, it's, it's wrapped instead of handled for balance and the blade is exactly this long because I can choke up on it and do a field tracheotomy if I have to.

Dan Stanchfield [00:35:05] And just, yeah. You know, thing the beveled add, just design in every single element of it that the young from your years of experience and what worked and what didn't. Yeah. And you know, one big thing at the tracker school was, um, the guy who taught Tom Brown, you know, the old Apache, he was all about finding the common thread of truth that runs through all philosophies, all survival skills, all that kind of stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [00:35:34] And so he was all about cutting away the, that

Dan Stanchfield [00:35:38] wasn't necessary because you know, so many blades these days have bells and whistles attached. So it's like the newest, latest scientific thing that, you know, this is gonna save you guaranteed, you know, and, but it's uh, it's sales gimmicks. And so I just wanted to remove everything that didn't need to be there and leave all the things it did.

Dan Stanchfield [00:35:58] And so like no choice cause toils that's, that's a, I don't know who came up with the trail, but it's bad idea. You know, it's a snag point and it's a way to lose your blade, you know, and it's a way to not be able to cut free because it gets snagged up. You know? So, you know, there's, there's a lot of things out there that people just take for granted.

Dan Stanchfield [00:36:21] And, uh, and even to the point of, you know, the archers artistry side of it, you know, like I had a nickname cause I, I did 10 years of, of carpentry, um, before going into the tracker school and this was high-end, you know, finished carpentry. So my nickname was Stradivarius Stanchfield cause I didn't cut corners and like I, so I can make these knives to where their mirror polished and, and just a work of art.

Dan Stanchfield [00:36:52] But I'd rather take that time and spend it on a good carry system. Cause this is the other half of the battle. Like I'd rather have a $200 sheets and a $5 knife Dan the other way around because this is what keeps it where I need it when I need it. And so, yeah. Um, there's art in the design and there's attention to detail in the quality.

Dan Stanchfield [00:37:16] Like I make sure that my raps go all the way up here. Like most people take them down to the bottom here cause that's easy to do. But then you go to stab into something and your fingers going into thickness of steel, not it doesn't have support it. And people do it with solid handles too. They take them away low cause it's quick and easy.

Dan Stanchfield [00:37:36] And without having that support there, you're just, you're going to be leaving DNA behind, damaging your trigger finger, you know, things you don't want to do. So, um, yeah, focused on functionality. But you know, wraps are tighter than any I've ever seen. Just cause I've been doing not work since I was a little kid.

Dan Stanchfield [00:37:56] And, and this, I actually came up with this, this double Ridge rap back in the late nineties. It's now called Cobra wrap or something. They, you know, somebody came out in 2010, um, with the, a tutorial on, I didn't even know someone else turned me onto it. But, but like this, this came from my mom teach me how to do lock stitches when making moccasins.

Dan Stanchfield [00:38:19] So I was like, Hey, if I did lock stitches on this, then if any part of it gets cut or melted through or something, it doesn't all unravel. So, you know, there's, yeah, there's a lot for cool. Yeah. There's other stuff behind stuff behind stuff. And yeah, like I, I've heard

Michael [00:38:36] some of your other stories about the sheath and again, trial and error, I think you said you had a story about jumping off a rock into a water and lost her. She had to go diving for it. And that led to an innovation and, and there's the clip and uh, yeah. So attention to detail and experience that's gone into all that stuff, which is amazing for your product. Unfortunate maybe in the sense that, um, so I know others have taken your innovations and built them into their own products and then even worse, there are counterfeits claiming to be years out there.

Dan Stanchfield [00:39:07] Yeah. Yeah. So, um, you know, you, you'd mentioned wanting to talk about business and, um, that, you know, that's, that's something that, you know, it can be a hard pill to swallow when you know, you, you think you should be worried about China, but there's, there's plenty of people who will stab you in the back a year in America and, but you know, that's something you just, you gotta realize that's been happening from the Dawn of time.

Dan Stanchfield [00:39:37] Anytime there's a good idea it's going to be copied and you know, it's, and so many people are like, well, why don't you, you know, get lawyers on that. Instead, you could spend your whole life in legal battles and get nowhere. So, you know, it's, I have to take solace in the fact that I've hopefully made the industry better by introducing some real good design features that get replicated, copied, that kind of thing.

Dan Stanchfield [00:40:05] What I really like to see is when people take my design and make it better, you know, like doing an innovation that fills a gap that I wasn't filling, you know, or whatever, you know, like, and like even on the clips, like there was Tom the first iteration of the Utila clip. When I saw it, I was like, wow, that's, that's really awesome.

Dan Stanchfield [00:40:28] That can probably replace my club. You know, like, Hey, if I see something better out there, I want to use it. Like I'll bite clips from him, you know? And, but then I started playing with it and it was like is there's, there's some, but their latest version is it, it looks like it's got a lot of promise cause a lot less snackable and it's not going to cut your, you're a clothing as much when you, you know, be rubbing up against something when you've got a blade or a holster underneath here.

Dan Stanchfield [00:40:57] So, you know, I'm, I'm constantly open to, you know, making things better and people making my stuff better. But yeah, the thing, I, I don't appreciate it. And I wish, you know, more people were aware is um, cause they, they, people get ripped off when they're buying a counterfeit blood shark that looks like a five-year-old baby wrapped it, you know, and it's all slipping and sliding and, and, and just like it comes, comes to here and it's, you know, like people are paying big bucks for these things or are they were, they were selling them as a tracker Dan blood shirt, um, for like 500 bucks.

Dan Stanchfield [00:41:34] And you know, back before, you know, there were secondary market stuff on it and it's just, that's, and that was from a lot of guys that I used to know and it's, it's really, it's really surprising to see people who preach brotherhood and warrior ship and all this kind of stuff. And it's just a lure people in so they can stab you in the back, you know, so you know that that stuff happens and it will always happen.

Dan Stanchfield [00:42:00] Always has happened. Yeah. So anybody, what's that on you? Good on you for taking the high road? I, I, you know, as much, as much as you can. Yeah. Yeah. And do you, Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. I mean, it's, it's the same with, um, and I mean that just, uh, tangent into brotherhood.

Dan Stanchfield [00:42:23] You know, like there's so many movements these days where like people want to be Spartans, they want to be sorry. You know, not that it gets pardoned. They want to be Vikings, they want to be part of this group, like th you know, all this kind of stuff. And you just really gotta be careful that you don't, you're not just, you become a cog in the wheel or a battery to support, you know, the people at the top, this, this pyramid scheme type thing, which can apply to religions, any institution.

Dan Stanchfield [00:42:52] And it can be things that started out as a great idea and they grow to a point where it just, it takes a left turn and you don't even notice it, you know, and you're just bought in. And I can understand that mentality coming from a time when our survival was based on it. But we aren't in those times right now. And you know, if the infrastructure goes away, it is good to find a good band, but you gotta be so careful.

Dan Stanchfield [00:43:15] The brotherhood you choose because you get the wrong guy at the helm and you're supporting things that you normally wouldn't. So yeah, for forging a true deep, meaningful, honest relationships is, yeah, this is tough. Well, it's the hardest thing in life is to find the people you can truly trust and that takes a lot of time and you know, and you can't just wall yourself off and not risk, you know, you've got a risk and you're going to get burned sometimes.

Dan Stanchfield [00:43:44] So it just happened. Yeah. Unfortunately. Um, I, I know what you mean. I've had some, some bad business relationships unfortunately, you know, when, when you just don't, you're not on the same page and in a world sense or an ethical sense and you know, in your values and, uh, you know, in some ways I think a business relationship is just as hard as a marriage, you know, finding.

Dan Stanchfield [00:44:06] But we don't, we don't tend to vet those out as much as we do our personal relationships. So, um, just on the, on the innovation node and the idea of, you know, you'd love to see, uh, yeah, industry where you're all making each other better and go through those cycles. So, and, and that's, that's a tough one because we live in a profit based society.

Dan Stanchfield [00:44:28] So, you know, like with you get in certain like, you know, this hammer and I just went to you, you've got like these, you know, top, not top line blade blade masters, you know, late Smith saw that, that, or just sharing their knowledge and all that kind of stuff, you know, cause it's, it's an art and that they're keeping the art alive, that passing it on.

Dan Stanchfield [00:44:52] And you know, I came from that type of culture and in the tracker school and the survival stuff where you're just sharing it cause we're making each other better and all that kind of stuff. But then when it comes to feeding your family, you know, and I was sharing this stuff with the wrong people and then it's like they're messing with my ability to, he, my family and stuff like that.

Dan Stanchfield [00:45:16] So, yeah. Um, it's, it's a tough one, you know, and I get questions all the time, like, where did you get that? You know, the source that, you know, and it's like something that took me three years to find, you know, and we're to develop and it's like, man, I'd love to share, but it's like, you know, there's, you know, I do it with people that I'm really close with that I know we're going to use it, you know, for their needs and not to like undercut me, that kind of thing.

Dan Stanchfield [00:45:45] So that's a tough one. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a, it's a balance. Um, and I, I wish we lived in tribal societies where, you know, everything's for the good of the tribe and nobody's going to be like stabbing each other in the back. But I'm sure it happened, happened in those scenarios too.

Dan Stanchfield [00:46:05] But you're a smaller, a smaller thing and you know, shit where you eat, it doesn't happen.

Michael [00:46:10] Right? Yeah. Your ass, you know, who repercussion, right? Yeah. That's tough. The balance between kind of perpetuating an art versus giving away intellectual property that's putting, putting bread on the table. Yeah. The, um, so the blood shark and you've got some others that I'm, I'm probably,

Dan Stanchfield [00:46:29] um,

Michael [00:46:30] minimizing the thought that went into these, but I sort of see them as like different sizes or different configurations of a similar design. When you get into like the Gwadar Anya, if that's how you pronounce it, is that, was that an idea you came up with or was that more of a collaboration that you ended up

Dan Stanchfield [00:46:46] that was a collaboration with Ed's manifesto? Um, yeah, yeah, there, I'd spent some time, you know, over in the middle East in Iraq and then in Jordan. And so I was studying the blades over there and I really wanted to come up with a Persian style even though it, it's not easy to ambidextrously sheath.

Dan Stanchfield [00:47:10] And uh, so I've been really lucky that way. Like when I wanted to make a pistol grip style blade, you know, I came across, you know, Al who was working with designs like that and we did a collaboration for the punch Badger. And then same with ed. It's like I was thinking along the lines, Persian and he had had some experience with Persian type blades.

Dan Stanchfield [00:47:33] And so,

Michael [00:47:34] um,

Dan Stanchfield [00:47:36] we, uh, we worked on that one a lot, you know, like we made a lot of different versions just to make it just right. So a lot of people don't, don't appreciate, uh,

Michael [00:47:46] the time that goes into

Dan Stanchfield [00:47:48] make, you know, there's some things where it's just, Oh, I'm going to make something crazy like this, cause it's going to be unique. But

Michael [00:47:55] like

Dan Stanchfield [00:47:56] everything I design has to be just as optimal as it can be. And, uh, so we worked on that one a lot and then the Elvia we went through

Michael [00:48:07] like

Dan Stanchfield [00:48:08] probably, you know, over 12 different prototypes, you know, before we got that right. And, you know, and that's a lot of time put in cutting out the steel grind, you know, like tweaking things. And then, you know, people just, you know, I, I saw this one guy, he's making a good Dan Donya Elvia type thing, or you made, yeah. And it's just like, and he's asking me if he can use my, she's designed and you know, Hey, kudos on you for asking.

Dan Stanchfield [00:48:35] But like what about the blade? So, and you know, ed ed is very, you know, like he's teaching so he's very free in sharing, um, his designs and stuff. So you know, it, it's, it just happens. But um, but yeah, the um, any other questions on the group dynamic?

Michael [00:48:56] No, no, no. I just, I think it's a, you know, again, kind of not only form and function, but the art of it is, is amazing. And the ambidextrous sheath for that is, is, uh, is just genius. Um, well maybe in the interest of time, let's, let's pivot towards, um, some of the, the health nutrition mind body stuff, but to put a bow on the, on the knife business.

Michael [00:49:17] So, um, that I know is as a ridiculous backlog to it. As far as I know the books are closed idea. No you for the, for the custom stuff, I know you occasionally will drop more of a production style. You've got some stuff you do for a charity from time to time, we'll keep in touch with you. And I know you were always passionate about putting tools in the hands of first responders who are out there using it, you know, in, in harm's way.

Michael [00:49:44] So, yeah, again, Instagram, Facebook, that's the best way to keep in touch on those.

Dan Stanchfield [00:49:50] Yeah. Instagram and my Instagram's linked to my face or the, yeah, my Facebook and then there's a couple of Facebook groups, um, users and collectors and then the first responder page that are run by other people.

Michael [00:50:04] So if you can get into those groups, you know, I do lottos in auctions on those,

Dan Stanchfield [00:50:10] those sites, um, or on Instagram tends to be on the Facebook groups just because Instagram's open to like, it's not controlled at all. So it's, you can get people in there and just, um, yeah, causing, causing issues, you know, putting in a bid and they never intended to buy it, you know, that kind of stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [00:50:30] Right.

Michael [00:50:31] Yup. Okay, great. Understood. And, um, and you know, those, the rest of us who develop an appreciation for what you're doing, want to get an a list, we'll S we'll keep in tune and uh, see if the, if the books open in the future. So, um, yeah, health, mind, body working out. I noticed you gotta you gotta

Dan Stanchfield [00:50:50] pumps strap or whatever it's called there on your arm. Yeah, yeah, I've been playing around with the, some different stuff, you know, um, just, you know, with the injuries I've sustained in the past, um, you know, I can't go balls to the wall, you know, on my workouts like I could when I was younger. So working out smarter, you know, and, and paying attention to the science that's out there.

Dan Stanchfield [00:51:15] Um, you know, like the, the changes that have happened over the decades just in stretching and, you know, warm, warm ups and cool downs and all that kind of stuff. So, um, yeah. Yeah. And you know, without a strong body it's hard to keep the mind, uh,

Michael [00:51:37] doing all the things it wants to do. So, no doubt that's a, that's a foundation. And most of us can always use work on that. I mean, if we just, um, kind of started on daily routine. Yeah, yeah. Besides just exercise. But do you have a, you have a daily ritual, you know, a morning routine that you do too to prime yourself for the day, physically hydration, mentally, whatever that might be.

Dan Stanchfield [00:52:01] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, I've been getting into the carnival or code a bit, so, um, he recommends like three grounds of salt, you know, good, good. Uh, no Redmond or, uh, Himalayan salt, you know, in a glass of water. Um, and yeah, just staying well hydrated and like I'll, I'll throw on a, yeah, the bands, you know, the katsu bands and cause that just, it's, um, has so many incredible benefits and anybody who wants to look into it deeper.

Dan Stanchfield [00:52:37] Mercola has so many articles on it, you know, the, the blood flow modification and I know there's a lot of blood flow restriction out there. And you know, I, I hear there's some difference, um, but I haven't looked in to the blood flow restriction enough to know what the difference is, but it's, um, it's a way to keep your blood vessels, you know, limber and create more blood vessels because it's actually, you're, you know, kind of getting, uh, uh, blowing up a balloon type effect.

Dan Stanchfield [00:53:09] And, uh, so it can create human growth hormone. It can be used, you know, like if your legs in a cast and you put that thing on, they say you heal twice as fast and you have no a trophy once, once the then comes out or the cast comes off. So yeah, th they're using an NSW. Uh, and I URJ heard about it from an old frog, um, as far as actually getting really introduced to it.

Dan Stanchfield [00:53:34] And, um, but for a lot of rehab stuff, but also for, they're using it, the Olin Olympians are using it in all kinds of kinds of stuff. So it's, it's pretty interesting modality could, and especially for older people, it keeps, it prevents sarcopenia, which can lead to, um, what is the, uh, blanking osteoporosis.

Dan Stanchfield [00:54:00] Okay. So it can actually, you know, cause your bones to Denson up, you know, and, and not have muscle wasting as, as you get older. So, um, yeah, it's, yeah, it's pretty interesting. Um, but that's something I can do while I'm, I'm a planning out my day, you know, or, or typing emails on in the morning and, uh, I like, uh, the MobilityWOD, um, guys, stuff like, you know, just getting down in that squat position so you're ready for the Squatty potty.

Dan Stanchfield [00:54:31] But you know, like gate keeping your hips and knees and all that stuff, uh, you know, getting them all kind of warmed up for the day. I think is is always a good idea. Um, and you know, diet wise, um, I've always tried to steer towards something that would be sustainable for a transition to full survival.

Dan Stanchfield [00:54:59] So, you know, I've had instances where I went, you know, from my regular carb heavy diet to total survival for two weeks and just the energy loss, you know, of, you know, going from, you know, like bread and, and all the other kinds of things we, you know, shoved down to, you know, grasshoppers and some wild edibles and some muscles, you know, in the stream.

Dan Stanchfield [00:55:30] I mean it is eye opening. So, um, having my body, you know, so it burns fat, you know, as opposed to sugar and all that kind of stuff. Is is key because that's what you're going to be looking for in survival.

Michael [00:55:44] Okay. Getting into getting into fat adapted rather than sugar fueled. Cool. Yeah. So

Dan Stanchfield [00:55:52] mainly for longevity, for quality of life and to be able to transition into grid down scenario kind of thing. So

Michael [00:56:01] do you have any, um, um, so just thinking about this one, so I'm gone, um, carnivore code, but Quito, and one of the things I've done, you know, when you're in, nobody's traveling right now, but when you're in transit, you know, long flights stuck in an airport or things like that. And gets, yeah, you're sitting there looking at the junk you can choose from and it's, it's not great.

Michael [00:56:25] So there's, there's company out here and I think they're in San Diego, or at least your California called ample foods. They make a, uh, uh, uh, powdered bottled, um, they've got a few different, but they've got to Quito one and you can just add water. So I always have a few bottles of that in my backpack, dump some water in it and shake it up. And it's, it's a, it's all high quality ingredients and it's a Kito proportioned, you know, the high, high quality fat yeah.

Michael [00:56:53] On the go. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So I know you're not going to forage for that, but, uh, you know, we've got a supply chain while we're, we're all

Dan Stanchfield [00:57:02] doing a lot of travel these days, and that's, that kind of stuff is, is key. So I'll look into that.

Michael [00:57:07] Yeah. Check that out. So if, um, you know, if we're in a place where we just want to enjoy the outdoors or we get back to supply chain breaks down or grid goes down and, you know, we're, we're in that position and maybe most of us are got soft and don't have that knowledge. So maybe just, you know, we mentioned hydration just as a morning thing really quickly, but you know, when you're, when you're back country, when you're outdoors, well, I mean water is just, it's heavy to carry enough of it.

Michael [00:57:34] So what's your, what's your philosophy on finding or you know, to carry filters or you have a natural solution to that?

Dan Stanchfield [00:57:43] Yeah. Um, and it's become a lot harder because of, you know, our environmental toxins we've, you know, put into the environment. So you've got to take a lot of extra steps unless you've got a pristine spraying or source somehow. So, um, the main, main thing you gotta do, you know, from any natural water source is boiling.

Dan Stanchfield [00:58:08] So as long as you bring it to a boil, you know you're safe. So you're not going to be vomiting and shitting and dehydrating yourself more. Um, so that's, you know, that could have chemicals in it and you might die from that later down the road unless it's a high concentration, but you know, you're at least staying hydrated so you can add onto the boiling and so with, for boiling and you know, I mean there's even tricks that, you know, they use over in Africa with the clear water bottles on the rooftops.

Dan Stanchfield [00:58:38] They get enough. If you got a place where you've got enough UV and a clear enough bottle, you can sterilize it that way, of anything that would, uh, you know, cause you

Michael [00:58:49] evaporating within the bottle, kind of, uh, distilling effect.

Dan Stanchfield [00:58:53] Nope. Nope. It's, it's just counting on UV to kill. And it does have to get up to a certain temperature. I can't remember if it was like one 40 or something, but, um, but yeah, that's, that's an option. I would steer away from that just because of the PCBs that you're going to get. But if it's your only option, then it keeps you alive.

Dan Stanchfield [00:59:14] Right. So as far as boiling, you need to know how to make a fire for one. So you either got to have that with you or are you going to know how to make permanent fire and then, um, you gotta be able to make a container so the container can be, you know, an animal's stomach that you just killed.

Dan Stanchfield [00:59:35] Um, it could be an animal hide because, you know, maybe not everybody knows this, but like paper, even a plastic bag or just any kind of thing that you hold over fire, as long as it's got water in it, it doesn't burn through cause the heat transfers to the water to not know that. Yeah.

Dan Stanchfield [00:59:55] So it's amazing what you can boil in, um, on Coles or on a fire. You just can't let the fire get up past the edges of where the waterline is. So there's a lot of, um, so that, you know, the animal's stomach, animal hide, there's certain tree barks that you can cut off the inner, you know, get to the inner tree bark and peel it properly.

Dan Stanchfield [01:00:17] And you can fold that into a container that you can sit on the coals and boil, um, Boylan. And you can, uh, make clay pots if you've got a clay source or if there's a lot of clay by the bank of the river. This is an old Tom Brown trick. Like you can dig out into the clay, a depression and, and scoop scoop some water in there and then he'd some rocks and drop a minute and boil it that way without it, you don't have to make pottery, you know, cause it's, you know, and you're going to have a little clay in your water.

Dan Stanchfield [01:00:53] But who cares. And so, you know, if for any type of, you know, you once you have to make those types of things, you realize how, how nice it is to have a little pod or front ban because it makes life a lot easier.

Dan Stanchfield [01:01:14] It's a lot more durable, especially when you're, you know, moving around and stuff like that. The pneumatically look if you're looking for other natural resources and such. So, um, but yeah, there's, there's lots of options with that. Now if you can take it further to where you're actually making, um, so going beyond, so we've kind of covered boiling, but going beyond that, you've got filters so you can easily make filters off the landscape with uh, you know, as long as you don't pick poisonous plants, but you can use like fibers, um, grasses and stuff like that and uh, different, different types of inner bark fibers to make a type of one layer of filter.

Dan Stanchfield [01:02:01] Um, and that would be like your top layer under that you have sand and then under that you have charcoal if you have access to charcoal. So you can make incredibly effective filters like that. And I've shown that before with a three handkerchiefs that I learned from no Fraga from

Dan Stanchfield [01:02:20] Bulletproof primitive, um, maze and guy, but he had, it's real packable cause it's three bandanas that you can use for warmth on your head, but you pull it out and it's like three parachutes under each other and it's just got grasses in the top sand and the next one in charcoal in the bottom one. And he had the local official test it, like who's part of the municipal water supply thing?

Dan Stanchfield [01:02:41] And he said, that stuff's better than what we're sending you. So wow. So there's that, which can take out a lot of, you know, other contaminants like heavy metals and that kind of stuff. And that could possibly get out a lot of your bacterial and viral and amoebas and all that kind of stuff. Possibly. But I would boil just to be sure on that.

Dan Stanchfield [01:03:04] And then if you want to go to the next level, you do solar stills, um, or a heated still where you're heating the water and evaporating and then cooling it so that if you're ever going to do that though, you've gotta make sure you boil the water cause there's a lot of chemical contaminants that have a lower boiling point than water does.

Dan Stanchfield [01:03:27] So they will actually concentrate in your collecting pot. So oil the water first, run it through the still and that gets rid of everything. Wow. Okay. So green tips, but it's, it's, it's a lot, a lot of time and energy, you know, so, um, yeah. So, and, and sell it, you know, there's kind of a prioritization or triad, not only what resources do you have, but again, are you on the move?

Dan Stanchfield [01:03:52] How much time do you have to put into it? What's your survival necessity at that point? Yup. Um, and yeah, like I, I never travel without, like, this isn't a clean canteen, but this, you know, one of those thin walled stainless steel, not the insulated ones. So I can kick oil water with it. I can cook in it, all that kind of stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [01:04:12] Because in a survival situation you're going to be doing a lot of students. You're not going to be, you know, you might do some cooking directly on the coal with meat and stuff like that. But generally you do stews cause you maintain your nutrients. You're not losing, you know, the moisture from the meat and all that kind of stuff. Now let's talk about nutrients. So you through a couple of things on Instagram I think this morning or yesterday.

Dan Stanchfield [01:04:36] Um, so when it comes to w w um, I don't know, I'm not sure the best place to start, but, and you mentioned earlier that uh, what you have available in the environment's going to differ by a seasoned by location, things like that. So this is a, just a super general question. If you, if you had to live on, is there a plant based, a fruit or vegetable?

Dan Stanchfield [01:04:59] Is there a single perfect food that if you, we're in one location, you could have it in abundance, you know, can, can you live on an avocado? Can you live on coconut? Is there like a perfect, perfect fruit or vegetable. Um Hm. I know there's, there's a lot of native groups that, uh, got through the winter or you know, in 500, you know, a family would gather 500 pound acorns in process processing.

Dan Stanchfield [01:05:30] Um, cause you've got a lot of fats and protein in there and carbs. Um, ah, you know, it's, people said honey is the perfect food. There's, you know, at times, you know, like it, some people say coconuts are, you know, like, but I've, you know, I, I like to, I keep my ear to the ground for, you know, the latest science on things.

Dan Stanchfield [01:05:57] And I'm not thinking of anything that plant-based, you know, that that would have everything because you know, there and this whole plant based thing that's been kicking off, there's a couple of my seal buddies who were, we're doing it. And, and it's funny because like they're eating donuts cause it's, it's plant based, you know.

Dan Stanchfield [01:06:21] But, but, but you know, the guys who were being more healthy about it, like they're allowed to add broth, you know, bone broth, bone broth. Yeah. Because apparently the plants aren't giving you everything you need. So, you know, the B vitamin thing is is there's something, I don't, I don't know of any plant sources, but you know, I'm just loosely speaking from memory.

Dan Stanchfield [01:06:49] So yeah, I, I, I can't really, really think of anything. Um, and are there, uh, you mentioned a, is it oxalates? Yeah, yeah. You can build up almost like, so it's almost too much of a good thing. Too much spinach, too much of that green smoothie things that maybe we were meant to eat seasonally.

Dan Stanchfield [01:07:11] Yeah, I think of it. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and at the tracker school I would teach people wild edibles and medicinals and stuff like that. And you know, I knew from the books which ones were super high in oxalic acid and you could put some of them in your salad is flavoring cause it can almost have a lemon lemony type fit flavoring like wood sorrel and stuff like that.

Dan Stanchfield [01:07:33] But you get too much of an, it tears up your stomach. Um, so yeah, the, the oxalates is one of those things where some people are going to have a really bad reaction to it, um, that they notice. And other people, it's still affecting them, but they probably not gonna see it until later on in life.

Dan Stanchfield [01:07:55] And it's, the thing is when we can get that spinach and the various other things, 24, seven, it just keeps on building on our body, keeps on depositing and you know, cause you gotta pull calcium, phosphorus and magnesium out of your system to bond with this stuff, to protect your body, which creates these nasty spiky.

Dan Stanchfield [01:08:16] And then that either becomes, you know, you know, in your kidneys it becomes kidney stones. In other areas it becomes, um, joint arthritis or pain. And it tends to lodge where, where, um, injuries, old injuries happen and stuff like that. And if you're never giving your body a break where it can detox and if you're not detoxing properly, it can be a pretty, uh, brutal process to get that stuff out of your system.

Dan Stanchfield [01:08:44] So, so with the carnivore diet, are you on, I'll just skip to that for a second. Are you on it? Yeah, 100% meat as far as nutrients. Is that how that works? I'm, yeah, mostly I'm doing ish four, cause I'll, I'll have some avocados every once in a while, break it up. Um, and still one of my wife's cookies every, every now and then.

Dan Stanchfield [01:09:06] Um, but, uh, yeah, I'm making sure to do it. Like, you know, like adding in the, you know, the liver, good grass fed liver now has always told, you know, like we can't eat, you know, kidneys or liver these days because all the toxins in the environment, those are filter organs and you're going to be just, you know, and that's when you get into the science of it from that current of our code book.

Dan Stanchfield [01:09:32] It's not not the case. Um, it is, you know, they play a part in that, but it's not like it's storing up all those toxins. Um, it's helping your body get rid of those toxins. But, um, so if you're getting good grass fed stuff, organic, you know, it's not an issue.

Dan Stanchfield [01:09:53] And, and the vitamins and nutrients you get from those different organ meats and the bone marrow and all that kind of stuff is just amazing. And like bone bone stock is is just one of the most, you know, it probably was in everybody's diet back in ancestral times.

Dan Stanchfield [01:10:15] Um, but you know, like, it's just so rare these days and it's so easy to make, you know, like, um, and like you can get two cookings out of the bones and still be getting like, just tons of good minerals and vitamins, especially if you're adding in a little, uh, you know, Apple cider vinegar that draws a lot more stuff out.

Dan Stanchfield [01:10:38] So am I, my son, uh, he laughs at me every time we, uh, we take down a couple of those Costco, rotisserie chickens. The carcass is going in the slow cooker with, yeah. Stubbles nice, nice cider, some salt and pepper and water and just let it cook for a few days. Yeah.

Dan Stanchfield [01:10:58] Yeah. And the, uh, on the plant thing, you know, there are definitely pharmaceutical qualities to plants and where are they? They should be used to get over a certain ailment at a certain time, but taking them all the time nonstop, you know, um,

Michael [01:11:18] as a, as a, as a full on nutrition plan, you also mentioned, um, some wild edibles that are really nutrient Dan. So if you are in that foraging and survival scenario, so you mentioned earlier today in a Instagram, video nettles, dandelion greens and kelp.

Dan Stanchfield [01:11:35] Yeah. So this, um, native, uh, medicinal man, um, would come to the tracker school and teach us like, just super in depth, very scientific, uh, you know, like he could talk for four hours on the benefits of dandelion leaves.

Dan Stanchfield [01:11:55] Wow. You know, just, and we're buying Roundup to a, you know, it's like and poison ourselves ourselves. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um, I lost, uh, um, an aunt, aunt in law not too long ago from work to round up, um, just ridiculous. But, so, um, he was saying that with, um, dried up nettle leaves try to, um, Danny Lyon leaves and dried up kelp like all ground up and put it in a pepper shaker.

Dan Stanchfield [01:12:27] Like he'd say, sprinkle that on to season your food and stuff. You're replacing all the nutrients that are lacking from our modern farming techniques. You know, cause we're using synthetic fertilizers and just raping the soil like of all the nutrients, you know, after a few crops, you know,

Michael [01:12:46] so, so I don't need all these, uh, man-made vitamins and supplements that I'm probably P and down the toilet.

Dan Stanchfield [01:12:55] Some of them are probably, you know, providing something that that won't, but uh, I just need the shaker full of nettles. Dan align and Kelvin. Yeah, yeah. Now with, you know, I used to eat a lot of nettles and, um, I would want to look into that more. Um, for men who are, you know, over the age of 30, you know, we start to accumulate iron cause we're not menstruating every month.

Dan Stanchfield [01:13:23] So, you know, if you accumulate over a certain amount of iron in your body, you're more susceptible to a lot of diseases. You wouldn't have been. So given blood like three times a year would be a good idea. If you're eating a lot of red meat, eating things like metals, Guinness beer is just full of iron and there's a lot of other food sources too.

Dan Stanchfield [01:13:45] So, um, so I would want to look into the metal thing a little bit more.

Michael [01:13:52] You've mentioned the, the blood donation. I think Mercola has got some stuff on that. I tried to give as much blood as I can through Spartan race and what he knows here and there. But no, that's a good one for man. I, you know, and you know, some of this stuff, I think w

Dan Stanchfield [01:14:07] you know, we, we kind of laugh at history sometimes instead of learning from it.

Michael [01:14:11] Yeah. You look back on, even just come a hundred years ago, founding fathers, you know, leeching bloodletting, yeah. Things that we think of as primitive, but maybe they were primitive and very useful and brilliant.

Dan Stanchfield [01:14:23] Yeah. Or, um, brilliant by accident. You know what else? Funny at times they were, they were bleeding when they shouldn't have.

Michael [01:14:35] Yeah. I don't think it fixes a broken bone, but yeah. So some of us, like, um, are there any things that that can be foraged for? So I know a lot of things you have to learn, you know, you have to learn which things are poisonous or not. You don't want to be the guy from the tribe that has to go off and try it. You know, it'd be a Guinea pig. But are there are the things that are largely universally available around at least let's say North America and that are easy to distinguish.

Michael [01:15:02] So I don't know. Maybe dandelions.

Dan Stanchfield [01:15:06] Yeah. And there, I mean, there are some plants that can be mistaken for Daniel Lyons and, but I don't think they're like, you know, deadly, you know, may just be an upset stomach. But, uh, mainly you, you've got identify things when they're in flower cause the flowers, the most unique aspect of a plant.

Dan Stanchfield [01:15:28] So that's how it has sex with other, you know, plants of its species. So, um, matching the flower, um, how the leaves or branches come off, whether they're alternate or opposite or world, um, the leaf type, you know, whether it's too low, you know, entire, you know, that kind of thing or leaflets, you know, these, these are the three things you can put together to know exactly what a plant is.

Dan Stanchfield [01:16:00] And if you have the right book, it can, you know, it gives you a key that puts you right on that page. Like Newcombs wildflower guide is just invaluable for that. Um, but with wild edible plants, if you don't know what something is, you should not put it in your mouth cause there are things out there, you just touch your tongue to them, you'll die.

Dan Stanchfield [01:16:21] So, especially in the carrot family, like there's plenty of edible things. And then there's things, you know, that was it. Socrates that had to do the hemlock T sorry, someone, some floss for way back in the day. Um, so, and poison hemlock is is in the carrot family.

Dan Stanchfield [01:16:42] So, um, so as far as ones that are readily available and grow everywhere in the States, the uh, is the big fours, what, uh, we taught at the tracker school and uh, that's um, acorns, Pines grasses.

Dan Stanchfield [01:17:10] Okay. Cool. Cat too. Is cat tails. Yeah. Yup. Okay. So, um, acorns, you know, you some acorns or are too bitter to even process, but um, plenty you can leach the tannins out of and then just great source of, of food.

Dan Stanchfield [01:17:34] Uh, but that's only going to be certain part of the year. Um, Pines you can eat the um, pine nuts, which are the seeds inside the, the female cones. You can eat the male cones, which are those little clusters of the things that give off all that pollen so you can eat them before they dry out and give off the pollen.

Dan Stanchfield [01:17:57] Um, you can eat, you can gather the pollen, you know, if you have a, a bag, you can just shake, shake man and you'd be surprised at how much you can gather and that's just nutrient dense, like you wouldn't believe really. Yeah. I grew up in Georgia. I mean, you don't even have to try to gather, it's all yellow at one point.

Dan Stanchfield [01:18:17] Yeah. Yeah. I wish, you know, we didn't have so many toxins in the environment cause like when you know, it gathers in a puddle and then dries, it's just like a cake of that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so with Pines you can also use the pine needles to make, um, vitamin C type drink. You know, like as long as you don't heat it above 108 degrees, you know, so just smashing the needles and putting them in a cup of cold water or lukewarm or some tea.

Dan Stanchfield [01:18:46] Um, you can eat the inner bark. And you mentioned there's something needles four times the vitamin C of an orange. Yeah. And I don't know how they gauge that measurement wise, like by volume or, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, I, it was so long ago that I, I looked deeply into that stuff. So, um, skipping onto grasses.

Dan Stanchfield [01:19:10] So all grasses are edible except for two species. They're super rare and down in the Southwest. Um, and they'll probably be a little on a noxious side or just look shiny and or reddish or some, you know, so for the most part, you're, you're safe with grasses.

Dan Stanchfield [01:19:34] And when they're young, you know, before they get a lot of silica built up in them, um, you can show them up and eat them, but you know, when they're not, you can just chew, chew the leaves up and spit out the pulp and just swallow the, uh, the juices. Um, the roots. You can, you can boil and eat the, uh, seeds.

Dan Stanchfield [01:19:58] You can gather, you know, just like you would any other grain. They're going to be a lot smaller most of the time. And, uh, you gotta, you know, be careful of ergot, which is a fungus that can, can grow on a, it's pretty serious, but you'll notice it like it'll be a seed that's black or purple and like five times bigger than the other seeds.

Dan Stanchfield [01:20:23] And that's, that's what they think caused the Salem witch trials is cause you know, guys would eat this and get paranoid. Like it causes paranoia and shakes. And so they were thinking it's spelled is gas on and stuff like that.

Dan Stanchfield [01:20:39] Um,

Dan Stanchfield [01:20:40] so that's it for grasses than cattails. You can, you just got to make sure you don't mix up cat tails with irises cause irises are very poisonous so they have similar leaves. But you know, if you know what to look for, it's, it's pretty, you know, and there's good books, books on this stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [01:21:02] Um, but the cattails, yeah, lots can be eating the seed head, the stock, you know, depending on what stage you get them at. And the roots roots are great. So

Michael [01:21:14] cool. I might hit you up later for some links on books for that stuff. Um, so I've got, I've got two more kind of categories for you. I'll try not to take up too much more of your time here, but, um, I mean minerals were kind of inherently talking about minerals, but you mentioned clay earlier. Is there anything mineral wise that you like to carry or make sure is in your diet

Dan Stanchfield [01:21:35] for minerals or for

Michael [01:21:37] detox effects?

Dan Stanchfield [01:21:40] Um,

Dan Stanchfield [01:21:42] so where I'm going to go with this as I go forward. Is I'm counting on my minerals from plant or a animal sources. And you mean, are you talking about things like bentonite clay for cleansing and stuff like that? Yup.

Dan Stanchfield [01:22:02] Um,

Dan Stanchfield [01:22:03] that's a controversial one and I don't know where it's at these days, but some people say depending on the source of it, it can be very high in aluminum. No, I don't know if the clay, it keeps the aluminum bound. I, I, I don't know. But um, I've, I've definitely used it in the past when doing the long cleanses and stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [01:22:25] And as far as cleanses go, going forward, I'm just going to water fast, you know, cause with the intermittent fasting that I just started, uh, January of 2019 that, you know, getting in the practice to that, that enabled me to do a five day water fast and no problem.

Dan Stanchfield [01:22:47] And um, on this carnival guy, and I'm just gonna have one day a week actually that was supposed to be today. Damn it, move it to tomorrow. I already had something today, but, um, you know, one day a week I'm going to fast and then certain number of days a month and yeah, I want to set it up kind of like a regimen because it, it, yeah, it keeps it simple, straightforward.

Dan Stanchfield [01:23:13] I mean, I've done some really intensive, crazy fast or cleanse cleanses, um, when I was at the tracker school, but, um, so these days are you, are you sure? Are you aiming for a day, 24 hours a day, a week, a fast, and then do you do that? Do you do daily intermittent fasting too, where you jam your, your meals into six or eight hours?

Dan Stanchfield [01:23:36] Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to, um, you know, not eat close to bedtime at all, like at least three hours from bedtime. And in the carnival work code you'd like, he's eaten probably six hours before bedtime and there's, there's a lot of benefit to that and, and yeah, shorten the window.

Dan Stanchfield [01:23:57] So it's, it's, uh, yeah, and on the, I mean it's, it's a, it's a Hunter. It's a hundred diet. And, um, so you know, if you think how much do you have to work to get that meal and the spaces in between, you know, and the nutrients that you're getting from it that carry over like the fat, you know, like you just, you don't need to constantly be being yourself.

Dan Stanchfield [01:24:22] So, well, my experience with it was once you kind of get used to it, yeah. And that may be more mental and routine than it is than it is physical, but you get adapted to it and you've got the fat for fuel, you get used to going stretches, you get used to go on a day. Um, there's no energy issues. In fact, I think how the opposite you kind of get, get a pump effect and energy effect that you can go out and you still work out Dan the long, long runs.

Dan Stanchfield [01:24:50] I've done interval training. Well and, and that the healing it allows your body to do well. It's not processing food. Is that's just off the charts. Yeah, for sure. Um, okay. And then the one other categories, it's a huge one, but we'll throw it out there kind of quickly. Um, self protection.

Dan Stanchfield [01:25:10] Yeah. Do you have and a universal thoughts on that or does it come down more to what people are trained on? Uncomfortable with? So I would say awareness is number one. Cause even if you're, you know, the baddest Spartan out there, you know, someone can hit you in the back of the head with a two by four if you didn't see him coming.

Dan Stanchfield [01:25:37] So awareness is key. Um, we live in a very distracted world where, you know, people are making themselves setting themselves up to be victims because they are just not aware of their environment and they're not avoiding something that they could have cause they're locked into their phone or whatever or worrying about stuff, you know.

Dan Stanchfield [01:25:58] So that's key to anything, any level that you're going to attain. Cause that gives you the possibility of avoidance, the possibility to meet with the proper, you know, worse. Um, or, yeah, so avoidance was, would follow, you know, we'd cover running and hiding and all that kind of stuff too.

Dan Stanchfield [01:26:19] So, um, yeah, as far as self protection, you know, just in this day and age, just always having something that can either be in your hand or can be close to hand to defend yourself with. Um, and I'm all about if people are into, you know, doing some crazy, you know, stuff that's just empty hand and it's good to have that, but there's nothing that beats and raking down across your face, you know, like, so it's a force multiplier.

Dan Stanchfield [01:26:56] Anytime you can have a force multiplier but you build confidence in yourself, I've been able to do the empty and stuff. But if, if you're just focusing on, if that's your main focus, you're, you're missing out on something that could make you way more effective than if you've got multiple opponents. I don't care how good you are this, it's only gonna go so far. So, you know, and every situation is gonna gonna dictate, you know, there's certain situations where you need a belt fed weapon, you know, and so it's, you just, you've got to learn what's appropriate.

Dan Stanchfield [01:27:30] And it, it's funny how many people have been trying to get guns who don't believe in them lately because things are looking a little crazy, you know, and you can't get toilet paper, you know, like you said, somebody might come and take mine, you know, like, so, you know, it's, yeah. I, uh, I would say it's the number one concern in any kind of survival situation is being able to protect yourself because that can take your life in an instant.

Dan Stanchfield [01:28:01] Whereas the need for shelter, you know, that could be up to three hours, um, water three days, who, three months, you know, so when you look at your levels of priority, security is is definitely at the top. Um, so cool.

Michael [01:28:24] Yeah. Yeah. I like the point about just adaptation and things on hand, whether it's, you know, it's the pen. I think it might've been you that's mentioned, you know, having some rocks around you run into wild dogs out on a run or an op for a hike, you know, it doesn't always have to be a manmade weapon.

Dan Stanchfield [01:28:43] Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't have to be a weapon at all. Like Penn, um, you know, the way you have your keys set up, like, you know, the bottle shark I have on, on the keys that, that thing, the raking that you could do and the damage and they're just, you know, it's not going to go in and get internal organs, but it's gonna take eyesight possibly, you know, take the fight out of somebody.

Dan Stanchfield [01:29:08] Um, you know, and there's all kinds of just simple little things that you can have in your hands. It's, yeah. That can, yeah. They change, uh, change the course of events. Absolutely. Well, I mean, yeah, people are definitely worried.

Dan Stanchfield [01:29:29] There's cause for concern. There's a lot of uncertainty and fear and those things have a dividing effect oftentimes as opposed to coming together and, and I talked about earlier. Yeah. And you know, I, I really like where, you know, the stance Trump has on this where he's, he's, he's trying to talk sense the people to an extent.

Dan Stanchfield [01:29:55] Like, cause this fear thing can really spin out of control. And like you read, you know, the stats and the science and everything that Mercola presents and it's like this. And, and a good doctor friend of Kelly's, um, is just, she is livid with the way this thing is being spun.

Dan Stanchfield [01:30:18] Like, cause she's been in situations where, you know, AIDS epidemic and putting people through their, you know, their last rights, like, you know, hospice, all this kind of stuff. And, and she's like, anytime somebody gets the sniffles in the past and then any like, or any little thing she hears about it. And on this, it's like she hasn't heard of anyone that she knows who has it for her, who's contracted it for one or who needs a ventilator bed.

Dan Stanchfield [01:30:47] And it's just like, this is being spun up so much politically and whatever. And, you know, I know there was, I know we're getting off on a political tangent, but there was so many people, you know, in the past on those, you know, left-wing comedy shows and stuff where they're talking about, well, if it takes destroying the economy to get Trump out office, like, and you know, it's like, is that what's causing some of this, you know, like, and cause it's, you know, it remains to be seen how, how devastating it will be or, or could be.

Dan Stanchfield [01:31:24] But I, I really think that it's, it's been blown out of proportion and white. Like, you know, when you've got the governor of California talking, mentioning martial law, one sec, you're not going to do it, but you're going to mention it and now everyone's going to go buy everything off the shore. That, you know, it's, it's, it's just, it's unnecessarily causing, you know, and there are certain people who are getting a lot of press out of this, like all the disaster response type type angles.

Dan Stanchfield [01:31:54] Like, you know, there, there's like in the limelight, who were the special people now on, we're going to you all. And it's like, I think

Michael [01:32:00] they're making it seem worse than it is, you know,

Dan Stanchfield [01:32:06] but you know, will remains to be seen, you know, like,

Michael [01:32:10] um,

Dan Stanchfield [01:32:12] but uh, it's definitely going to have a devastating effect that's going to last for a little while just because of the amount of time people have been away from their jobs and all that.

Michael [01:32:20] Yeah, no doubt about it. It's already starting to ripple. I think where I'm at on it is is um, don't really know sort of cause and effect, don't know. You know, if some of this is hype by design or people capitalizing unfortunately on a, yeah. On the situation and that's the problem with it and we don't know yet how long this lasts or how, how bad it's going to be.

Michael [01:32:40] We're all, a lot of us are trying to do the right thing and play around art. Right in, in minimizing whatever it is. The problem is, is the uncertainty and that fear fear has the same effect whether it's real or imagined. Yeah. Right. And it creates all, it creates, there's the internal effects of all the stress and everything that's doing to our bodies.

Michael [01:33:02] And then there's the external on the relational effect and you know, fear of our neighbors and just, you know, you can spend that, the ripple effect. And I'm, I'm curious, you know, how many of our,

Dan Stanchfield [01:33:13] our rights we're going to give up during this, this one, like what mandatory vaccines going to come out. They'd like, if you don't get it, you're going to cause all of us to die. You know, this whole herd mentality bullshit is that does not work often injected vaccine that is from mucosal transference from the mother to the kid. It takes time, you know, and it's like, Oh, there's just so much stuff.

Dan Stanchfield [01:33:36] He's that the cell stuff out there that's we don't need, keep your immune system strong,

Michael [01:33:42] clean feud food, clean water, get plenty of exercise. I mean, anyway. Yeah, and I, and I guess maybe just to, to head towards wrapping up on that note, I guess I would add to that, um, sunshine, you know, vitamin D for immunity by fresh air. I saw a good article about the Spanish flu pandemic from, you know, a century to go where they were using and in a similar situation, building outdoor medical facilities but using fresh air and sunshine.

Michael [01:34:13] Yeah. Because of the positive effects of those things and mean people being cooped up during this, it's probably not going to help. It's not not good. I love that we have zoom, you know, we're, it's creating our ability to stay connected to a degree and there's a lot of positive things coming out of this. I see people working out more than they I think were in the past.

Michael [01:34:33] Hopefully we have an opportunity to carry some positive things forward out the out the other side of this thing. Yeah. And the last thing that I, I know I've been not good about, um, and, and uh, setting a new routine is looking at the news and looking at, you know, looking at social media. Um, too often, you know, getting fixated by this thing and kind of drive me instead of the other way around.

Michael [01:34:57] Just take a peek out at once a day and put it away. Yeah. This, this is an excellent time to, you know, you've got time, a lot of people have, some people don't, they're working harder than ever, but a lot of people have time to reflect and you know, this can be a great time to decide what's important in your life and what you want to focus more on and you know, make plans to, you know, make those changes.

Michael [01:35:24] Um, I just read a great book, um, bullet journal and wow, it just, you know, it tells you or it, it explains a very, um, and cry, you know, incredibly efficient, productive way to journal. Um, but a big part of it is learning what's really valuable to you and cutting away the stuff that's keeping you from the valuable stuff.

Michael [01:35:51] Um, that is so key. So, um, yeah, I mean this, this is a great time to catch up on reading and, and, uh, all kinds of stuff. So anyway, yeah, great, great point. Reprioritize and a love that point about really cutting away the excess, the things that really aren't important. The things that don't matter, you know, we're, we're using, we're coming back together as a family.

Michael [01:36:15] Um, you know, figuring out what our day is really should look like. What are the important things actually sitting around a table and having meals together and communicating and yeah. And stuff like that. Right. So, yeah, there's, there's positive to take away from this for sure. It's, it's an opportunity. Yeah. Well, Hey man, I appreciate you taking so much time out of your day. Oh, no problem. Yeah. I hope we get a chance to catch up again soon on the other side of this thing and we can get back to feeling like life is a, is normal and uh, and having some structure of the ways we approach health and Jeff mindfulness and all that.

Michael [01:36:47] Or, or if not, I'll, uh, if things go the other way, I may be hitting you up for some, some chicken, eggs and avocados. Sounds good. I'd rather well, thanks again. I appreciate it. Have a good day. They see you. All right. Take care.

Michael [01:37:00] Bye. Okay. Yeah, no doubt. Dan is definitely the ultimate warrior scholar artist in that truest sense. And, and I think you get a sense for why I really wanted to rush this one out with, with everything going on right now with all the, all the craziness Dan is just a wealth of knowledge.

Michael [01:37:21] And I'm sure you could appreciate how hard it was to hold this too to even an hour and a half. But, but we barely scratched the surface and he was so generous with his time to share even a you at a tiny bit of what he knows and there's so much more there. So please hit the show notes for this@manofmastery.com slash zero 49 and get links to follow Dan on Instagram.

Michael [01:37:45] Follow the tips he puts out there, keeping tuned to the other ways he might start communicating here in the future, possibly reopening the website and just other products and services. Uh, you'll be well served by, by continuing to stay in tune. And I hope that once things settle down a little bit, we could have Dan back and drive into some other topics or Hey, if things had the other way, then we're definitely gonna need him back and learn more as much as we can learn.

Michael [01:38:15] So what's up next? Look as far as accelerating this one forward. So I brought it forward about a week. The next one is coming out number 50 milestone episode that will be out on, I believe it's April 16th. Right? So you'll have a little bit of a lag here. Stay safe out there, get in touch if you need anything. In the meantime, if you have any questions, comments on this episode, I'd love to hear him go out there and rate the podcast.

Michael [01:38:40] Go follow Dan and uh, and add some likes to his profile on Instagram. And again, just stay safe. Uh, keep it at home if you can and just keep it, keep it between the rails. We'll see you back in about a week and a half, two weeks with episode 50.